Wow ok,
me thinks my Luv will get an electric pump and a thermo fan as I amno too worried about originality, keep my new pump for the Wasp!!
Josh
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| Author: | pa_man [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
Here is a link for a water pump for sale on Ebay. BUT at nearly $400 AUS you would have to really need it!! http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NOS-WATER-PU ... SwwE5WVYI9 Josh |
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| Author: | Anthiron [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
Thats less than what I paid for a NOS pump off Import Monster to get my LUV back on the road. |
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| Author: | pa_man [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
Wow ok, me thinks my Luv will get an electric pump and a thermo fan as I amno too worried about originality, keep my new pump for the Wasp!! Josh |
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| Author: | Anthiron [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
It's a lot of money but at the time I was concerned I may not find another one. I didn't want to go electric. |
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| Author: | degruch [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
Mine cost at least $500 to rebuild, so this isn't a bad price at all. If I was mad keen on another Bellett any time soon I'd buy this and stick it on the shelf...any engine rebuild will end up stranded for months without water pump parts, like mine was. |
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| Author: | Glenn [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
a bit cheaper, full water pump re build kit? eBay item number: 262149863789 (at 27th Nov 2015) |
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| Author: | Anthiron [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:06 am ] |
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Someone has bought it |
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| Author: | degruch [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:34 am ] |
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Yeah, that was a bit of a bargain. However, I bought 2 of those and only the shaft was common, I had to buy a seal from someone else to complete the kit. They can be an inadvertent trap. |
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| Author: | pa_man [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
As long as someone got what they needed thats the main thing! Still hopefull someone down the track will be able to talk one of the manufacturers to deal in a quantity that makes it viable. Josh |
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| Author: | degruch [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
I don't think any one individual will take that punt to be honest, as they'll be left sitting on stock forever. If a few of you can get together and arrange a group purchase for that 100pc MOQ from China it may be doable (100pcs between 5 people = roughly $2,500 a piece). But $300-400 per pump is a reasonable price, I think people need to get used to this pricing as the days of $20 water pumps are long gone. |
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| Author: | Glenn [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:02 am ] | ||||
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degruch wrote: I don't think any one individual will take that punt to be honest, as they'll be left sitting on stock forever. If a few of you can get together and arrange a group purchase for that 100pc MOQ from China it may be doable (100pcs between 5 people = roughly $2,500 a piece). But $300-400 per pump is a reasonable price, I think people need to get used to this pricing as the days of $20 water pumps are long gone. every time this comes up, i think of the water pumps used on a zillion Holdens with the Grey or maybe the red motor (or black) and think those simple pumps might just be adaptable to a Bellett. Mind you I don't have either of them to compare and see if that's feasible. Depending on the height of the Holden pump, an aluminium adapter plate might work ? eg a plate 10mm thick, drilled to Bellett holes and countersunk bolts used to screw to Bellett block, then tap the plate to take the Holden pump. All assuming the water passage would line up or close enough.
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| Author: | pa_man [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:08 am ] | ||
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Just did a quick price check on an electric setup and I reckon it can be done for around $300. Davis Craig electric pump for up to 3Lt is $185 A Thermo fan setup for around $35. The original pump backing plate should be able to be modified with an outlet easily enough. A Couple of hoses and away you go (yes I know it prob wont be quite that simple BUT) Might just have t have a play around with that  Josh
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| Author: | Asroc66 [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
Hi all I have distant memories that water pumps changed mid 60's in Bellett Is this true or are all same from '64-72' J |
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| Author: | pa_man [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
Now I could be wrong but I thought the real early Bellett was the the same pump but the backing plate was removed!? Josh |
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| Author: | Asroc66 [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:48 am ] | ||
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hi Josh Here is one I prepared earlier 8mm aluminium adaptor plate with 35mm water hose fitting replacing mechanical water pump In top of picture, driver's side engine bay is Davies Craig electric water pump I ran an inline water temp switch in the upper radiator hose. 13 inch electric fan (take note the fan suck a lot of amps) Cheers J
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| Author: | pa_man [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
Awesome , thanks for that. Is the adaptor plate one you had made or was it readily available? Where current was concerned I was wondering with the pump and thermo fan how it would go. Might look at a possible upgrade to the alternator. Josh |
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| Author: | Asroc66 [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:23 pm ] | ||
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Three words Custom, custom & custom You don't need to run a bigger generator/alternator Just a dedicated circuit with relay much like with spot lights Trick to be aware of, there is a 10mm hole from the front of the block... Do not blank this off as will lead to a vapour lock / hot spot and then gasket problems ie blown head gasket If you look closely at the origional pump backing plate you can see it. This needs to be plumbed in somehow when you change to electric pump I tapped the hole and Mocked-up a banjo bolt, however I settled on a AN fitting for quick release Cheers J
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| Author: | pa_man [ Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
Thought as much. I have dedicated relays for the headlights as it seems to make the rocker switches last longer carrying less current. The advice is greatly appreciated, am starting to look forward to the conversion! Josh |
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| Author: | Glenn [ Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
New fan belt also, perhaps a part number would help those doing this conversion to save mucking about ? |
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| Author: | degruch [ Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Water Pump In Cypress (If you can afford it??) |
Glenn wrote: every time this comes up, i think of the water pumps used on a zillion Holdens with the Grey or maybe the red motor (or black) and think those simple pumps might just be adaptable to a Bellett. Mind you I don't have either of them to compare and see if that's feasible. Depending on the height of the Holden pump, an aluminium adapter plate might work ? eg a plate 10mm thick, drilled to Bellett holes and countersunk bolts used to screw to Bellett block, then tap the plate to take the Holden pump. All assuming the water passage would line up or close enough. You might be onto something Glenn...I wonder if it might be possible to find a proprietary pump shaft/bearing/impeller of the right length (maybe Holden), scan in the Bellett water pump housing, CAD up a modified housing to accept the new shaft/bearing/impeller and then CNC machine a new housing? Off shelf aluminium might do the trick, a coarse sandblast on the outside will make it look like a cast housing...completely rough estimate, maybe $100? Add backing plate, gasket and proprietary parts, maybe another $100? Maybe we can 'open source' our way out of trouble and have a reliable supply of parts? |
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