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Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:47 pm
by BULLITT
spoke to mike he is a great bloke he has for years been doing the steerings etc on left hand drive conversions ..from American cars so he has a wealth of experience he knows this part of cars backwards ...I will have my pair for 90 next week ....
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:51 am
by Glenn
Asroc66 wrote:Mike is a top bloke
He does ask that someone fit and test drive to be 100% sure no hang-ups
We are pretty damn sure all will be good though for early models as I supplied 66-67 rod ends as in picture as well as steering arms off the spindles
Bulk order would be welcomed though
That's up to you guys from here
J
I assume they will be left and rh versions? I 'think' one side has left hand thread ?
On appearance it appears my Sport is the same.
anybody confirm ? (pictured)
Is he happy to tell us what they are off ??? Rough costing?
I am guessing that bump steer 'might' be affected with the different offset..... although Belletts have it already, could be better or worse.
glenn
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:43 am
by Asroc66
The threads of the tie rods are the same from left to right and hence one fits both sides
The leg work is my gift to the Bellett fraternity
The knowledge of the tie rod is Mike's to divulge but remember, this is his bread and butter so to ask
Could be construed as rude
J
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:56 am
by Glenn
Asroc66 wrote:The threads of the tie rods is same from left to right
The leg work is my gift to the Bellett fraternity
The knowledge of the tie rod is Mike's to divulge but remember, this is his bread and butter so to ask
Could be construed as rude
J
OK fair enough.
Can he advise where they are made? Some parts like this these days are poor quality in aftermarket.
Looks like the rack ends are LH threads.
any hints on cost
Maybe he has some leads on ball joints also.......
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:58 am
by Asroc66
Let your fingers do the walking.......
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:00 am
by KJB
If the pivot points are un- changed as far as position (eg - height in relation to each other ) is concerned , then the shape of the arms should not affect "bump steer " , (that's my understanding of the geometry )
KB
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:11 am
by Glenn
I couldn't get my head around the pic so flipped around the new part.... this makes it appear it has LH thread though.....it does not.
Hi Kerry, yes i think you might be correct. Although i wonder why they (Isuzu) put the bend in it ?
Are the Bellett ones two different years in the picture? early/late ?
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:09 am
by PR91
The shape is irrelevant. They can be anything as long as the locations they mount to stay the same.
Moving any pivot point on any car will effect the geometry, hence bump steer.
Belletts do bump steer standard, but when u understand steering geometry and study it, it's easily fixed.
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:18 am
by BULLITT
so is that thumbs up from you brett ???
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:48 am
by Glenn
PR91 wrote:The shape is irrelevant. They can be anything as long as the locations they mount to stay the same.
Moving any pivot point on any car will effect the geometry, hence bump steer.
Belletts do bump steer standard, but when u understand steering geometry and study it, it's easily fixed.
So what is the reason for the variance in the shape between years?
Did Isuzu fiddle with the steering arm 'height' also, in an effort to reduce bump steer?
It appears to me to be a little difficult to reduce bump steer as not much can be easily changed. Only the rack mounting height (which i think you are alluding to, Brett) or reducing suspension movement.
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:19 pm
by CQGT
CQGT wrote:The part number 44350-370 is the genuine number for sedans and GT's up to '66.5.
After that date it is 44350-418. According to Isuzu there is NO interchange.
They changed the steering arm at the same time. If I had a used arm and end off of a
vehicle I would use both to be safe. But. Before I do. I would check the history of the donor
and also check dimensions.
Isuzu did quite a lot of changes in the front end around certain chassis numbers and dates. '66/'67.
I haven't got any parts for the steering and suspension for vehicles prior to "66.5 so I'm not able to
compare. Maybe somebody with access to these parts might be able to check.
Dave
As above. If somebody had PRE and POST '66.5 ends and arms to compare we will get the answer.
Dave.
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:35 pm
by CQGT
I just looked at the parts books and the rack shaft changed in '67. The ball joint (rackend in todays terminology) did not change and is left hand thread.
There could be a combination of all three. Rack shaft, tie rod and steering arm to eliminate a technical problem without upsetting the steering geometry.
Dave.
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:22 pm
by Asroc66
90% of the knackered tie rods I have are the ones with minimal offset
+ my cars are lowered so I wanted minimal offset centre of thread to centre of ball due to travel requirements of the steering ends
They sit in defined orientated slots
J
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:20 am
by Glenn
Theres is great info here on the causes of bump steer and various methods to fix them, depending on the nature of it.
http://www.longacreracing.com/technical ... ?item=8162
Since i don't think we really understand why My Isuzu changed things in the suspension, nor do we have accurate drawings of the suspension and pivot points of the A arms and steering relative to each other. One could only assume later changes were for the better?
I guess in the end though, any tie rod end is better than a knackered one.
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:44 pm
by 67GT
Has anyone fitted these yet?
I have ordered a pair and would like a spare pair, but don't want to outlay that sort of coin only to find out they don't fit.
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:44 am
by Asroc66
Hi All
No responsibility taken as have not fitted to my cars but have been busy beavering behind the scene and finally found these, they seem to be a good tie rod for lowered vehicles,
Has been a real challenge to find with a right hand thread
Cheers
J
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 am
by Glenn
Great detective work.
That's very interesting and they hopefully fit, but would early Cadillac or any for that matter, have Metric threads ? (one assumes Bellett is totally Metric)
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:34 am
by CQGT
The Cadillac Catera is based on the Opel Omega built between 1996 to 2001. This vehicle has the "V" series
platform the same as the Commodore in Australia.
Which leads us to the assumption that if the Commodore (not entirely metric) tie rod ends may fit the Bellett
and be readily available in Australia.
Dave.
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:40 pm
by PR91
Be VERY CAREFUL.
Those looks like the ball is located slightly higher than the original in relation to the threaded section. Any change in things like that can give problems with handling, especially bump steer.
Might not look like much but believe me.... 3mm can make a huge difference.
Re: TIE ROD ENDS
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:02 am
by Asroc66
As I said I take no responsibility - investigate with your own merits
Arrr the black art that is Bump steer
For those with keen eye sight amongst us......
The tape is 6mm
Cheers
J